eiger
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Post by eiger on Oct 11, 2006 8:20:56 GMT
You have to have the correct licence to ride any motorised vehicle on a road, it also has to be registered, insured in repect of third party risks, it also has to have an excise licence and MOT if more than three years old. If the trial is on private land then obviously this does not apply. Even if a trial is to be held on private land the local authorities have to be informed beforehand. Its time for all trials clubs to clamp down on those who ride illegally on the road and not allow them to ride in a road trial, but how its done may cause problems, does the secretary inspect each riders driving licence and insurance document on the day?
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Post by Man17 on Oct 11, 2006 8:50:13 GMT
Eiger, I totally agree with you in terms of cracking down on illegal riding on the road, the problem with making the Club responsible for checking documentation/tax disks etc is that if one did slip through the net, and there was a problem, then liability would probably come back to the club/official.
At present it is the RIDERS responsibility to ensure that they are road legal etc, maybe it is up to other riders to "shame" them into getting themselves road legal? Not an easy one, but I can't help feeling that one day there will be an incident with a uninsured/unlicensed rider that will end up with severe repercussions for the club (i.e. a total ban on road trials in the area etc).
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Post by kenr on Oct 16, 2006 8:47:32 GMT
As a new comer do I correctly understand then that a bike with no MOT no TAX no Insurance and Unregistered with a rider without a bike licence is allowed between sections to ride the bike on the road provided the club has notified the relevant authorities ?? Ow do redders123?, No, trials bikes can be registered, taxed and insured in the normal way. All of mine have been and the 2 Gas Gas's that I currently own are. The importers did a lot of work in the not so distant past to ensure that the machines they import comply with the new regulations for machines used on the road. Its only been in since the coming of schoolboy classes in trials since the late 1960's that the majority have migrated to single venue all off road events. The very best trials mostly still use the public roads to access the best sections, like the Scottish Six Days, Manchester 17's Northern Experts and Dave Rowland and Macclesfields John McDonnald Trials. Riders have to be licensed and the entry form for the event has a declaration that each rider signs, which says that the machine they are to use is road legal. I remember a couple of years back at the Hipwell trial when Chris Clark was pulled over on his trusty old red Bultaco by a police officer. He found that Chris was lawfully entitled to proceed. The ACU regulations call for anyone convicted of an offence while taking part in an even be excluded from that events results. So as you can see - road based trails are where our sport came from and remains the very pinnacle of the top quality events for riders who are prepared to go to the trouble and considerable expense of being fully 'road legal'. Ken R
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Post by roid on Oct 18, 2006 21:54:43 GMT
Hi all, I would just like to add my penerth worth to the debate about championships. Off the top of my head I cannot tell you just how many rounds the Cheshire championship is but the obviouse thing would be to have just one round per active club, IF the members of the clubs involved felt confident enough to hold a round. As for the style of the trials, as has been mentioned before make no bones about it the best, most satisfying and challanging type of trials are the 1 or 2 lap road trials for the reasons stated above, and for any one who does not fulfill the road legal requirements to ride these trials maybe does not take it serious enough to be riding the championship anyway.
If the piece of paper we all sign when we enter the trial does not put ALL the responsibility of the legalities on to the rider and NOT the organising club, then it is this we should be sorting out with some lawer or soliciter and this payed for by the ACU this would make all us organisers sleep easier.
Also what needs to be addressed in my humble opinion is the EXACT outline of the qualifying area that the championship points apply. I am sure when the original outline was drawn up many moons ago there was no such thing as digital mapping so this nowadays would be quite easily put right. This as some people know is a paticular niggle of mine as I live in what is known as a crossover area where I am in two centre areas and as such I do not qualify for any championship points in any centre, thus I have not taken either centre championship seriously for some time.
Anyway rant over, keep your feet up & remember, be courtious to ALL observers without them ,you would be staying at home ( but thats another story).
Cheers Roid
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kenr
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Post by kenr on Nov 28, 2006 18:36:43 GMT
as its taken so long for anyone to bother posting a reply to redders123 I'll just state the bloody obvious for the record: Anyone using the public highway must comply with the relevant regulations. That means on a motorcycle the driver (rider) must be licensed, insured and the machine must comply with all the construction and use regulations and have a valid MOT if applicable. Riders taking part in events that use the roads sign a deceleration stating that they and their machine comply with all the relevant regulations. Anyone found guilty of a motoring offence during an event can be disqualified from the event ACU trials standing regulation TSR30.
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Post by macctrials on Dec 25, 2006 10:51:38 GMT
The final results of both adult and youth have been ratified by the Trials sub-committe at long last and there all on the cheshire site, no real changes.
The link to this forum has been removed from the centre site as the majority on the trials sub-committee did not think the forum content was suitable.
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eiger
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Post by eiger on Dec 27, 2006 13:39:04 GMT
What was the reasoning for the sub-committee thinking the forum was not suitable, surely anything remotely connected to trials should be supported?
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Post by macctrials on Dec 27, 2006 16:50:15 GMT
To much adverse criticism for some, I am to polite to say what I think of them.
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Post by eiger on Dec 27, 2006 18:03:51 GMT
I've had a look back through whats been said in the forums and cant see anything untowards or particularly bad. To be fair I've always found the ACU pretty good at sorting things and giving advice when asked but to remove this site from the links page is a backwards step. This site should be supported by our governing body and any criticism of them within the forums should be challenged if the committe members see fit.
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Post by macctrials on Dec 27, 2006 19:28:15 GMT
Let your club rep on the sub-committee know your feelings (you just did) Eiger and they will put them forward at the next meeting if they can get a word in edge ways.
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Post by macctrials on Dec 27, 2006 19:28:41 GMT
Let your club rep on the sub-committee know your feelings (you just did) Eiger and they will put them forward at the next meeting if they can get a word in edge ways.
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Post by eiger on Dec 28, 2006 22:30:12 GMT
Ta Macc, I know that a few months ago on the Trials Central site there were a few negative comments posted about the ACU and I must admit that one or two were far from constructive. However John Collins from the ACU made a stand on the forum and pointed out a lot of things that many officials have accomplished and he made his point in that if people have a particular gripe then lets discuss it and see what can be done to rectify problems rather than just turn it into a slagging off session. Anything that can be done to promote our sport should be encouraged and supported by all. Thats my two penneth anyway! Eiger.
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Post by bignose on Oct 16, 2007 19:59:53 GMT
Hi Redders123, I assume your post was a joke, or are you a "new comer" to this planet?
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